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MARVEL BEFORE SJW- X-Men #30 By Fabian Nicieza & Andy Kubert

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  1. Jason Clark

    April 24, 2018 at 5:19 am

    Someone has probably already said it, but Rachel Summers/Grey is the daughter of an alternate timeline Jean Grey where the Phoenix didn't kill herself, Cable is Madeleine Pryor's son. She has a very complicated family tree… although the Shiar made it less complicated by killing her entire family.

  2. Jason Clark

    April 24, 2018 at 5:47 am

    The first X-Men comic I ever bought was Uncanny X-Men 303, and X-Men 30 was only a few months after that. We had the holocover Fatal Attractions, where Magneto ripped Wolverine's adamantium out. Wolverine at this point had devolved into a more bestial appearance with bone claws.

  3. The Vardon

    April 24, 2018 at 3:04 pm

    Rachel is Scott & Jean's Daughter from the Days of Future Past Timeline, Cable is Scott's child with Madelyne.

  4. Ben Johnson

    April 24, 2018 at 9:50 pm

    Proof that heterosexuality is a phase. Why else would Jean Grey have gone back to normal?

  5. Orlando Campa

    April 25, 2018 at 3:51 am

    I legit don't think I can ever go back to buying X-books. That breaks my heart.

  6. Mr Man

    April 25, 2018 at 4:30 pm

    Love it when wolvy gives sabertooth that lobotomy. pretty sure its close after that story.

  7. Jim Rhodes

    April 25, 2018 at 4:35 pm

    Brings back so many great memories.

  8. Jim Rhodes

    April 25, 2018 at 4:43 pm

    "Let's be two blacks together." lol!

  9. raijinmeister

    April 25, 2018 at 8:49 pm

    I still hate the fact Jim Lee had not drawn that story. I deeply miss the 90's even with all the crappy Scott Lobdell stories and the terrible pseudo-manga art from Madureira and Roger Cruz. They look gold compared with what we have now.

  10. Charles

    April 26, 2018 at 11:43 am

    I remenber reading this comic for the first time, it is freaking amazing. It just makes me sad how Marvel is handling things lately.

  11. Anthony Sforza

    April 27, 2018 at 2:17 am

    Actually, Rachel Summers (At least up to the late 90s… any retcon after that, I couldn't tell you) is Scott and Jean's daughter. Whereas Cable is Scott and Madelyn's son.
    Aw man, on the two page spread from 7:25 to 11:24… they didn't keep the topless Domino. Great issue though. Fabian Nicieza was definitely performing a lost art.

  12. Dario Di Donato

    April 28, 2018 at 11:45 am

    your marvel before sjw are your best!

  13. James Burdo

    April 30, 2018 at 8:09 am

    I think Bishop was holding a plate behind Beast's head and the perspective was off.

  14. Cam M

    April 30, 2018 at 12:07 pm

    xmen used to be the only kind of soap opera I could get into…….those books used to be that ish but the late 90s and 2000s for the most part have not been kind it went from being the coolest title on the stands to a mediocre middle of the pack title….quite a drop for what was once the industry leader…….they only recently got rid of the jubilee is a vampire thing not to long ago

  15. ScyllaIo

    May 1, 2018 at 12:55 am

    I got this issue when it first came out so many years ago. The Rogue and Gambit scene was the best.

  16. dorpth

    May 2, 2018 at 4:43 am

    You know what you DON'T see in any of these older issues? Fucking pop culture references and trope quoting. No one referencing recent shows, movies, news headlines, or current celebrities. No one monologuing to themselves about how this situation reminds them of some movie cliche.

    Remember when pop culture references used to be rare? At most, every once in a while you'd have someone say, "I don't think we're in Kansas anymore" or "I'll make him an offer he can't refuse". MAYBE someone would reference Johnny Carson, but at least the guy was the most prominent man in showbiz for 30 years and not just some CURRENT YEAR flash in the pan fad.

    I'm not sure that younger people today can even imagine a time when pop culture wasn't some monstrous ouroboros forever eating its own shit. Older writers actually had their own life experiences to draw on for depicting authentic human emotion and conversation. Younger writers have nothing to draw on but a life of Joss Whedon shows and internet memes.

  17. LeGioNoFZioN

    May 2, 2018 at 6:07 pm

    Rachel is Jean's daughter its Nathan that is Maddie's

  18. Haljordan4life

    May 4, 2018 at 2:53 pm

    I miss this cyclops. Hate his young counterpart

  19. sentaisoldier

    May 5, 2018 at 6:08 pm

    Great video and insightful analysis.

  20. 2percentright

    May 7, 2018 at 8:28 am

    Would benefit from using the scans of the comic to show pages and not a… Go pro? Or cell phone or whatever you used one handed to record this. That combined with a bit of editing would really make this video shine

  21. Tony Holcomb

    May 10, 2018 at 8:35 pm

    Thank you for doing a review of a real comic.

  22. TheLionheart021

    May 11, 2018 at 8:13 am

    Chris Claremont, Scott Lobdell, Whilce Portactio, Andy and Adam Kubert, Fabian Nicieza, Todd McFarlane, Jim Shooter… I forget the other names that made the x-series and Marvel what it was during my late grade school and early high school days. I still have the original copy of X-Men 30, and it is one simple masterpiece. I happily saved up my allowance every month for Marvel titles, and even gained a circle of friends through this hobby.

    My son stumbled upon my collection of comics like Infinity Gauntlet, Dark Phoenix, X-cutioner's Song, Fatal Attractions and Age of Apocalypse with some issues of Captain Marvel (the Kree warrior), Captain America, Thor/Thunderstrike, Spiderman, and Iron Man. He was then interested in starting his own collection so we went to the local comics distributor here in the PH (Filbar's).

    Marvel once brought its readers to a world they want to go. Manga does this as well, that's why they never fail. They bring what the audiences want. In rare cases of Gwen Stacey or Jean Grey, they got reactions from readers but eventually were able to make those events necessary to the character development or storyline. There was sense; there was purpose. As a young reader then, it helped me understand that changes do happen whether we like it or not and that is life.

    I was so disappointed with how the new people basically ruined all these characters and what they stood for, just because they can. Gender swapping, race changing, tribalism, shallowness – the world where once readers can broaden their imagination, or see characters overcome challenges and come out to be better or handle real/relatable hardships is now effectively gone. Nothing is inspiring or understandable in Marvel Comics anymore – not the storyline, not the artwork, not the purpose, not even the people behind it.

    What is happening with Marvel? They used to put out titles that everyone can relate to, even to young people back then as far as in SE Asia.

    Are you Americans still fine over there?

    Now Marvel is forcing people to go to a world no one wants to be in. There's nothing that makes sense in it. Hydra Captain America? Just why? Shock value? What's the sense of having a hero created to fight Nazis and Communists turn into one? Jack Kirby would probably kick these people out, if he could. Female Thor? Black Iron woman? Crazy Cyclops?

    I'm at a loss as what titles are good now, to be honest. We just went home empty-handed.

  23. Mychael Darklighter

    May 16, 2018 at 6:20 am

    One of the first comix I ever bought.

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